All posts by MethodicMockingbird
Omgfloofy wrote:
Well, I admit I do take some sort of subconscious pleasure in arguments. It's much simpler, and more gratifying, to sling insults and blame at one another than it is to admit that you don't have all the answers.
It certainly can be more gratifying, but it's more frustrating when there are no answers to give at all. Though, interestingly enough, studies have observed what makes it so gratifying, and it's actually the same mental reactions that make things like click-bait articles work so well. It's in our nature to find that the easier reaction in certain situations.
I get really frustrated at news sites for banking on that sort of thing, simply because it's actually better for everyone in the long-run to present information completely, which is my philosophy towards how I prefer to work with things on the internet. In cases like Unseelie, there were signs of major depression in all of the posts in this thread, but it takes a blantant 'I fucking hate my life' statement to really make it stand out.
I love arguing and shitposting as much as the next person, but I think information dissemination is incredibly important on the internet- which is also why I'm a stickler for accuracy.
Best example! Did you know: Wikipedia actually had the summary of Trails of Cold Steel incorrect for almost two years thanks to SiliconEra translating it incorrectly, and continuously doubling-down on their mistranslation, even after XSEED unveiled the localization and general plot of the game? Attempts to edit it out were reverted because SiliconEra is a 'trusted source,' too. As a result, there is a subset of gamers who aren't familiar with the Trails series that think Trails of Cold Steel is a prequel to Trails in the Sky, simply because of SiliconEra's continuous misreports and Wikipedia's parroting of said misreports.
Accuracy of information is important.
and this got far more rambly than I expected. sorry about that.
Yes, well, all of that said, you can't expect everything to always line up. Sometimes things are too large and they get bogged down under their own weight and cannot cope with maintaining everything at once. Something has to give eventually.
Omgfloofy wrote:
Thank you, however, for actually answering.
Well, I admit I do take some sort of subconscious pleasure in arguments. It's much simpler, and more gratifying, to sling insults and blame at one another than it is to admit that you don't have all the answers.
Omgfloofy wrote:
You realize we are using text to communicate, don't you? You don't have to yell, I can read what you are saying perfectly clearly.
It seems a little odd to say that you can read you've ignored that I've asked it three times now. It actually was an honest question to start with.
Yes, I'm very obviously screwing with you.
To be honest, I don't have much of an answer for you. I don't recall who put it up there in the first place, but I do remember thinking it was not accurate. However, I was not in a position to do anything about it with the skills or so on that I had, so it remained as it was. It was never really the most important part of the wiki to focus on anyways.
Omgfloofy wrote:
Why were you using a logo with Japanese in it if you pride yourself over this wiki being English accessible? Or even an inaccurate logo to what your wiki represents?
You realize we are using text to communicate, don't you? You don't have to yell, I can read what you are saying perfectly clearly.
Omgfloofy wrote:
I really wonder what it is that motivates you to think you can come to another wiki and start calling its users dense. Are you just simply spiteful?
Don't fool yourself too much. The only user I'm calling dense, here, is you. What actually drove me to comment is your hideous treatment of Unseelie.
I know I don't control every facet of the world. I accept it just fine, and have decided to throw my hat in with people who wouldn't treat people like crap because they are having issues.
I could say the same about you, to be fair.
By the way, you never answered my first question. Do you need it in a bigger font?
Why use a logo with Japanese in it if you pride yourself over this wiki being English accessible? Or even an inaccurate logo to what your wiki represents?
Wow, you really are just spiteful, then. If you really felt that way then you would know that two wrongs don't make a right.
Omgfloofy wrote: > Or we could not. This wiki actually has an English name, which is more recognizable.
And for Method, I have to wonder how dense you have to be to not pick up on what Unseelie has been saying, to where the straight up blunt method had to be used. Or maybe you just don't have to deal with the same issues, and have a bit more of a disconnection in that area.
I really wonder what it is that motivates you to think you can come to another wiki and start calling its users dense. Are you just simply spiteful?
I realize there were problems with the wiki; there are always problems with wikis, always will be.
To be honest, you would have to be dense to believe otherwise; this is not a perfect world, and you do not control every facet of it. Some things you just accept, or you work on.
Get off your damn high-horse.
Semanticdrifter wrote: While stated a bit more harshly than is likely helpful for this discussion, ...
I want to concentrate on this point for a moment.
While I admit that I came down on him rather harshly, I think it was necessary. If I hadn't reprimanded him, I don't think anyone else likely would have. The situation probably would not have been resolved in any real way and there would have just been this gaping hole where his path of destruction had tread.
TheUnseelieCourt wrote:
In addition to the blatant egotism and mutual back-patting, the folks behind the Kiseki wiki are not as proficient in Japanese as they would have you believe. While this wiki has issues of its own, that wiki is not a proper replacement.
I respectfully disagree. I can't speak for everyone there but the founder is pretty fluent as is another person I remember from the old XSEED forums there. They're good people who are devoted to the series.
Anyways, once again, I really don't want to discuss this much anymore. I also hope I didn't create any disdain towards the Kiseki Wiki and their contributors. I applaud them for their hard work and devotion. I'm just explaining one of the reasons I did what I did.
More than anything you've created disdain for the community as a whole, and for yourself.
You should probably leave before I block you.
Whiteknight810210 wrote: so is this wiki still under commision or not??
I think I'll leave that one up to you.
I had mostly stopped contributing a while back, so you can be head honcho if you want to try to salvage what's left here. If not, well, I don't know.
I realize you probably won't respond to this, but I hope you've learned from this experience.
There's nothing you can say that won't sound like an excuse, from the way you seem to be resigned to framing the circumstances. It sounds like you were just never fit to run a wiki of this stature at all, but I can't really fault you for not knowing your limits; we all have to learn them someway, sometime.
Good riddance.
You're so naïve I can't believe it.
Why would you think just naming people admins would fix all of your problems? This is not how you handle this kind of situation. You have to get in there and get your hands dirty too; you can't let everyone else handle it and then complain it's not to your liking. That's pretty much a textbook case of trying to have your cake and eat it too.
TheUnseelieCourt wrote: Sowing discord and chaos is having two wikis on the same subject with conflicting information.
Don't even try to shift blame here; this is entirely your fault.
If you saw problems with consistency then maybe you should've, I don't know, fixed them? What the hell do you think the edit function is for?
So you decide that the best way to create another English wiki would be to...
Delete one that already existed it? What the hell is wrong with you? You could have just abdicated, or just left. You could have started contributing to the other wiki in peace and let us have ours.
All you did was sow chaos and discord. How can you even stand to think that what you did was a wise decision?
TheUnseelieCourt wrote: Method, it does matter when we are talking about accuracy. If someone writes an article, for example, saying the Azure Demiurge is a demon from Gehenna that's secretly Octum from Tears of Vermillion, it does matter.
This wiki has been criticized on forums outside of this wiki for it's misinformation and bad translations. Yes, leave it up to the experts. Leave it to people who know what they're doing. It's not an 'appeal to authority', it's having the skills for the job.
When most of the hardcore fanbase, knowledgable of even the Japanese games advises people against this wiki, people like me who built it should, well, listen.
I failed. It's plain and simple.
So, yes, leave Kiseki in the hands of top people who know what they're doing.
You're right, you did fail. But your mistake should not cost everyone else. I am unsure why you decided to keep the wiki running for so long before pulling the plug finally.
Did someone get under your skin?
Fijiwuiji wrote: I am in agreement.
Everyone, it's simply time to move on. Let's get a back up everything here just in case, and leave this wiki behind.
That's not happening. If you think that you can just waltz in here, close shop and take everything with you then you're mistaken.
TheUnseelieCourt wrote: Okay, time to chime in again.
The people at the other wiki are some of the top folks in the Kiseki community that have been around a long time. Some of them, I believe, have ties to falcom and are proficient in Japanese. Many in that community rightfully see this wiki as vastly inferior, with lots of bad translations and other incorrect information. They don't want merges. They have strict guidelines (again, rightfully so) regarding accuracy, content, grammar, format, etc.
I think it only serves to confuse people if more than one wiki covering these topics exist, especially if one contains information that is substandard. It even makes it more confusing if both wikis exist on the same service (i.e. Fandom). Even when they don't exist on the same service (i.e. Halopedia vs the Halo Wiki on Fandom) people have to ask themselves which one they can trust on more.
I think it better serves the Legend of Heroes community more to have one ~reliable~ source they can count on than have to confuse people, especially those new to the series.
To be frank, I don't really agree with all of the endorsements that the other wiki seems to plug into their wiki. Their community members act as if they are the definitive source for the fandom, but nobody really gets to decide that; it's a form of elitism.
Another thing is that Kiseki is not an English word. It is not as easily searchable by people who want information on the Legend of Heroes games as something that literally says 'Legend of Heroes'.
You seem to be really caught up on these people being "top folks". Complete honesty here: who gives a shit? Unless they are literally the makers of the games it doesn't matter who they think they are or what reputation they have. Even then, their time would be better spent doing other things than running what is essentially a fan-site on a website they don't technically own.
Fijiwuiji wrote: or you guys could join the other wiki.
Or we could not. This wiki actually has an English name, which is more recognizable. It also has more information. If anything, that wiki should merge with this one.
But I wouldn't suggest that; people are free to provide multiple sources for information, in fact it's a good thing.
Whiteknight810210 wrote: So is this wiki still in commision or not?
Well, it's still available for editing. I can reinstate your rights if you feel up to helping fix things, but I understand if you just want to leave it behind.
Semanticdrifter wrote: Hi,
So, in cases like this where a community has alot of information and an active user base who specifically want to keep it open we would not remove it. We would also look poorly upon removing user rights from active Admins and engaging in mass removal of content. We would actually view that as a kind of vandalism.
@TheUnseelieCourt if you no longer wish to participate here, that is your preragotive but you need to respect the communty's decision to remain open. I have removed your rights and restored them to @MethodicMockingbird.
The next step will be restoring the missing content and figuring out how this community can move forward.
I want to thank you for your assistance in this matter; I would reply through e-mail, but this seems it will serve just as well.
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Quote: This wiki was the laughing stock of people who were serious fans of the series. It was an inferior site - deal with it. Innaccuracies all over the place. Good to see this shut down finally.
They obviously were not "serious fans" if they didn't deign to contribute their knowledge or abilities to improve the site.
You're dense. The serious fans created another - better - wiki and contribute to that seeing how crap this one was.
You're the dense one. You're also apparently incredibly elitist.